Comments on: Train Up A Child… (Should we teach our children to fake drink?) http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/train-up-a-child-should-we-teach-our-children-to-fake-drink/ Somewhere Between Here and There Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:36:41 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Kids And Teens http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/train-up-a-child-should-we-teach-our-children-to-fake-drink/#comment-985 Kids And Teens Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:35:09 +0000 http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/?p=287#comment-985 Hey, you have a great blog here! I’m definitely going to bookmark you! IT IS AMAZING and GREAT post .. PLEASE Keep BLOGGING … and Please you are wellcome to visit my site : http://www.taminapark.com/Kids-n-Teens.html Thans & Regards Salem Hey, you have a great blog here!

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]]> By: Du http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/train-up-a-child-should-we-teach-our-children-to-fake-drink/#comment-805 Du Fri, 16 May 2008 02:32:26 +0000 http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/?p=287#comment-805 You can't go wrong going with Scripture. If you take the "Non-truthfulness Principle" to other behaviors, it just doesn't hold water. Do you teach your kids to use steroids so they will be a better athlete? Do you teach your kids to cheat on tests in school so they will get better grades? You are who you are. You need to stand up for those principles. It is hard for kids to understand but if your "friends" don't like you because you don't drink, they aren't realy friends. As a parent, you have to teach your kids the concept that friends who try to "tempt" you into things that are knowling wrong or bad for you should be avoided. That continues on into adulthood. You can’t go wrong going with Scripture.
If you take the “Non-truthfulness Principle” to other behaviors, it just doesn’t hold water. Do you teach your kids to use steroids so they will be a better athlete? Do you teach your kids to cheat on tests in school so they will get better grades? You are who you are. You need to stand up for those principles. It is hard for kids to understand but if your “friends” don’t like you because you don’t drink, they aren’t realy friends. As a parent, you have to teach your kids the concept that friends who try to “tempt” you into things that are knowling wrong or bad for you should be avoided. That continues on into adulthood.

]]> By: Kelley http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/train-up-a-child-should-we-teach-our-children-to-fake-drink/#comment-799 Kelley Wed, 14 May 2008 18:02:52 +0000 http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/?p=287#comment-799 I can just hear my grown sons (24 & 20) laughing if I had sat them down to give them these tips! We always said it is unacceptable to drink when you are underage and we don't drink alcohol so they couldn't throw that back in our face saying "you do it and nothing bad ever happened to you". The oldest did all he could to fit in and fortunately nothing bad happened. The youngest one said "no thanks" and was respected by his peers.(my boys have always been very open about what they do -sometimes they forget Mom might not want to know it all) I just keep going back the God's Word to train them up and pray they return to Him sooner than later. I can just hear my grown sons (24 & 20) laughing if I had sat them down to give them these tips! We always said it is unacceptable to drink when you are underage and we don’t drink alcohol so they couldn’t throw that back in our face saying “you do it and nothing bad ever happened to you”. The oldest did all he could to fit in and fortunately nothing bad happened. The youngest one said “no thanks” and was respected by his peers.(my boys have always been very open about what they do -sometimes they forget Mom might not want to know it all) I just keep going back the God’s Word to train them up and pray they return to Him sooner than later.

]]> By: Leigh Anne http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/train-up-a-child-should-we-teach-our-children-to-fake-drink/#comment-795 Leigh Anne Wed, 14 May 2008 03:10:32 +0000 http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/?p=287#comment-795 Whoa. To quote Greg Brady, "Heavy." This is something I've never heard of, nor even considered. In all honestly, I wish I'd been taught to "faux imbibe" at parties when I was in high school. Would've saved me loads of heartache and regret. That being said, I truthfully can't see myself pulling my daughters aside & offering them points on "how to do shots without really doing shots." While it's ignorant to put this on hold as a kind of "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it" kind of thing, I do think it's something worth addressing eariler in life than we might want to...say, 11 or 12. You know as well as I that if we were to give Reagan & Libbey the "don't drink" speech at this point in their lives, they'd be all, "But I like water and juice and milk!" I dont' know...like I said, "Heavy." A lot to think about. You brought out good points, too, as always. Smarty pants. Whoa. To quote Greg Brady, “Heavy.” This is something I’ve never heard of, nor even considered. In all honestly, I wish I’d been taught to “faux imbibe” at parties when I was in high school. Would’ve saved me loads of heartache and regret. That being said, I truthfully can’t see myself pulling my daughters aside & offering them points on “how to do shots without really doing shots.” While it’s ignorant to put this on hold as a kind of “we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it” kind of thing, I do think it’s something worth addressing eariler in life than we might want to…say, 11 or 12. You know as well as I that if we were to give Reagan & Libbey the “don’t drink” speech at this point in their lives, they’d be all, “But I like water and juice and milk!”

I dont’ know…like I said, “Heavy.” A lot to think about. You brought out good points, too, as always. Smarty pants.

]]> By: cindyinsd http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/train-up-a-child-should-we-teach-our-children-to-fake-drink/#comment-793 cindyinsd Wed, 14 May 2008 01:53:58 +0000 http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/?p=287#comment-793 This is wrong for so many reasons. The ones you've listed--lack of testimony, hanging around the wrong crowd ("poor choice of friends corrupts good way of living" or the more old-fashioned "evil communications corrupt good morals" ) are the biggies. Kids want, need, long to be accepted and liked by their peers. Find them some peers who can accept that they look like Jesus. Yes, Jesus ate with tax collectors and sinners, but He didn't pretend to sin (and for your child at least, drinking is illegal and is by that standard, sin) and I suspect that the situations in which He spent time with worldly people were not wild parties with sexual laxity, dope smoking, and drunkenness. People would not have felt comfortable engaging in these things around Jesus. Jesus would never have been <i>invited</i> to such a party, but that doesn't mean your child won't be. Proverbs 22:6 can be interpreted in a number of ways. I wish I could say I believe that it is a promise, as I was taught when I was younger, but I've seen many parents train up their children in the way they should go, with rebellious children resisting every step. (This, alas, includes my two older children, though of course I still pray for them.) I think it is a general word of wisdom or a maxim--an observation of what usually happens. If you do A, then B is your most likely outcome. I hope it works that way for all of you. I've also heard it interpreted as a warning: Train up a child after his individual bent (according to the way nature leads him) and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Not necessarily a good thing in that interpretation. I mention this to guard you against falling away should the "promise" not work out, or not work out immediately. Very few things hurt worse, but God is still good and He still loves your children. It's important, however, to realize that even the children of godly people have free will. Grace and Peace, Cindy This is wrong for so many reasons.

The ones you’ve listed–lack of testimony, hanging around the wrong crowd (“poor choice of friends corrupts good way of living” or the more old-fashioned “evil communications corrupt good morals” ) are the biggies. Kids want, need, long to be accepted and liked by their peers. Find them some peers who can accept that they look like Jesus.

Yes, Jesus ate with tax collectors and sinners, but He didn’t pretend to sin (and for your child at least, drinking is illegal and is by that standard, sin) and I suspect that the situations in which He spent time with worldly people were not wild parties with sexual laxity, dope smoking, and drunkenness. People would not have felt comfortable engaging in these things around Jesus. Jesus would never have been invited to such a party, but that doesn’t mean your child won’t be.

Proverbs 22:6 can be interpreted in a number of ways. I wish I could say I believe that it is a promise, as I was taught when I was younger, but I’ve seen many parents train up their children in the way they should go, with rebellious children resisting every step. (This, alas, includes my two older children, though of course I still pray for them.)

I think it is a general word of wisdom or a maxim–an observation of what usually happens. If you do A, then B is your most likely outcome. I hope it works that way for all of you. I’ve also heard it interpreted as a warning: Train up a child after his individual bent (according to the way nature leads him) and when he is old, he will not depart from it. Not necessarily a good thing in that interpretation.

I mention this to guard you against falling away should the “promise” not work out, or not work out immediately. Very few things hurt worse, but God is still good and He still loves your children. It’s important, however, to realize that even the children of godly people have free will.

Grace and Peace,

Cindy

]]> By: heather http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/train-up-a-child-should-we-teach-our-children-to-fake-drink/#comment-792 heather Tue, 13 May 2008 18:24:11 +0000 http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/?p=287#comment-792 Wow. I have to agree with you Vicki it feels wrong to be teaching your kids how to appear to be drinking when they aren't. I also hope to teach my kids to have enough integrity to say no in these situations rather than fake it. But. I would also make the argument that this advice is a lot of what's wrong with parenting today and why we're raising such a screwed up generation of me-first, everyone gets an award generation. Imagine yourself in your dining room teaching your kid how to fake taking shots. Then imagine yourself trying to get them to take you seriously when you are attempting to punish them for doing something dumb. That's because you've crossed the line from parent to friend. You can't have it both ways. In fact I think I'm going to go tell Vanessa that. Wow. I have to agree with you Vicki it feels wrong to be teaching your kids how to appear to be drinking when they aren’t. I also hope to teach my kids to have enough integrity to say no in these situations rather than fake it.

But. I would also make the argument that this advice is a lot of what’s wrong with parenting today and why we’re raising such a screwed up generation of me-first, everyone gets an award generation.

Imagine yourself in your dining room teaching your kid how to fake taking shots. Then imagine yourself trying to get them to take you seriously when you are attempting to punish them for doing something dumb. That’s because you’ve crossed the line from parent to friend.

You can’t have it both ways. In fact I think I’m going to go tell Vanessa that.

]]> By: Lis Garrett http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/train-up-a-child-should-we-teach-our-children-to-fake-drink/#comment-791 Lis Garrett Tue, 13 May 2008 18:11:23 +0000 http://notsosahm.wordpress.com/?p=287#comment-791 Oh my. This is a hard one. I can see both sides of the coin, as well. My gut reaction is, why would I even be okay with my teenager being at a party where there's alcohol in the first place? But this argument is similar, in my opinion, to teenagers having sex. As parents, we don't condone the behavior. But teenagers, as a whole, are a pretty sneaky bunch. I'll wager that peer pressure is pretty nasty and can influence even the most straight-laced kids to do things they know are not good for them. I don't want my kids to engage in sex as teenagers, but I'll equip them with the facts. On the same token, I don't want my kids drinking irresponsibly. Well, I don't want them drinking at all! What I think I'm trying to say is, I don't know WHAT to think! Oh my. This is a hard one. I can see both sides of the coin, as well. My gut reaction is, why would I even be okay with my teenager being at a party where there’s alcohol in the first place? But this argument is similar, in my opinion, to teenagers having sex. As parents, we don’t condone the behavior. But teenagers, as a whole, are a pretty sneaky bunch. I’ll wager that peer pressure is pretty nasty and can influence even the most straight-laced kids to do things they know are not good for them. I don’t want my kids to engage in sex as teenagers, but I’ll equip them with the facts. On the same token, I don’t want my kids drinking irresponsibly. Well, I don’t want them drinking at all!

What I think I’m trying to say is, I don’t know WHAT to think!

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